Very cool, I look forward to watching this. Thanks for all of the hard work!

You are a very generous man, the hostess is pretty fucking hawt.
Bridget Maasland

Uh oh, I think I'm gay for Bridget now. No, wait , I still thought that first guy at New Start was pretty hawt. I'm so confused! lol.

Seriously, thank you. Some of these places reminded me of the school in Cat Street.

I wish they had had time to do some more in-depth interviews with some of the people, though.

With the dad, I kept thinking, "So he just came home one day, went in his room, and never came out again. How did you deal with this? Did you try to find out what happened or just figure he would tell you when he was read? Did you talk to his friends or his teachers?" etc.

I thought about the thread here where the guy talks about his sister doing the same thing and how hard it was to understand what was going on.

Two scenes really moved me. The girl who the host asked about flunking the test....the look on her face said so much. It really hurt.

I understand it's a competitive society, people are scrambling for their share of limited resources, that you can't protect kids forever, blah, blah, blah...but she brought out the mothering instinct in me. I just wanted to hold her and tell it would be OK. I really felt badly for her.

And then, there were the people eating in the cafe. They cut a couple of times to one guy who looked like he was expecting the camera person to start making fun of him or beating him up. It's like he was scared, lost, defiant, trying to protect himself, and lonely...all at once.

I wonder: do we all look like that to people on the outside?

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>>t189

Great work, OP!


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>>2230

I really wish you hadn't posted that picture. Some of us here work, and we have deadlines.

Deadlines that we're probably going to miss, because now we have to drop everything and scour the web to find every single erotic image of her ever created.

Damnit, Anon!

Excuse me, now...I have some research to do, work-related research for, uh, work that I need to research....that last name is spelled with two A's, right? I mean, I have to read up on SetLayeredWindow()...posed in the 2006 Playboy. Yes!

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>>2231

I'm watching Cat Street now, one episode left. OK, but too short (seems like this subject should've had the typical renzoku 10 to 12 episodes).

I know what you mean about the girl. I guess I'm getting old, because I felt the same kind of parental urge. Ugh. I'll have to wipe all of these nasty, responsible, protective thoughts out with a trip to /b/.

>I wonder: do we all look like that to people on the outside?

I find that a sobering thought somehow. Thanks, I think you just managed to kill my manic upswing.

Oh, wait, more pics of Bridget...all better now! <bounces off walls>

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>>2233

from wiki: 'In April 2006, Maasland appeared naked in the Dutch Playboy. She donated her fee to her own foundation Dutchypuppy which supports dog charity all over the world.'

And you are fapping for puppies too! And now on a more serious note:

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>>2231
'I wonder: do we all look like that to people on the outside?'

You know, I asked myself that exact same question. I suppose for me the answer is probably no... I probably appear more like that other ex-hikki (4 year guy) at the table. I am able to hold a conversation with people without immediately being seen as weird... it's just that doing that scares me, so I never talk to strangers... and those people that do get to know me eventually notice that I'm different somehow: probably because the person they get to know isn't really how I am at all.

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>>2235
Nah, I lift weights and have the eye stare of a serial killer. People look at my face and tend to look away pretty quickly.

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>>2237

This. I'm the same, I've got a 'vicious stare' I'm told. The typical person out there completely lacks bearing against adversity...people are so scared, am I the only one that's noticed this?

Unfortunately they equate this "scariness" as violent psychopathy, so its quite not beneficial!

I might have the vicious stare... but I'm never looking at anyone in order to find out... always at the sign with 10 letters that I've been reading for 5 minutes, or the beautiful parking lot scenery.

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>>2231
>I wonder: do we all look like that to people on the outside?

Maybe this is the wrong thing to say, but I kind of hope so.

I'm normally able to act pretty confident in public; I automatically stand up straight and hold my head up high and try to act dignified so people won't know how much I hate myself. I worry that if people know I hate myself, they'll feel triumphant, because god knows they've all been working so hard all these years to cause it..

Part of me hopes that they do see how miserable and awkward I am, though. I act so upright around people, they must think I'm fine inside. But I'm not, at all. It's really lonely to feel like I have to try so hard to convince people I'm self-confident and A-OK, and then succeed in misleading them, even when I'm dying inside and cry every night.. I try so hard to make sure no one finds out, that no one finds out. And then I feel even more terrible and alone.

It also works against me when I have to ask people for help. Last year, when I still went to college, I'd end up missing half the lectures because I couldn't force myself to go outside, and when I'd talk to my professors and tearfully ask them for mercy (which is embarrassing to admit), I felt like they wouldn't believe me, because I probably "seemed fine" when I actually did show up.

Tl;dr: I wish people could actually see me when they looked at me. But I'd have to become vulnerable for that to happen, and I don't know if I'm strong enough for that.

Thanks for the video. There are many things I often do that I didn't really attribute to being a Hikikomori until this video. It was a good confirmation on what other similarities I have. (The choice of eating alone for example.)

very good translation thank you. does anyone know of other videos about hikikomori online?

I'd just like to thank OP for his/her awesome contribution, this was really interesting.

>I try so hard to make sure no one finds out, that no one finds out. And then I feel even more terrible and alone.

As a sort of ex-hikki I can attest to how difficult this is, I've tried to hide my fear etc from others, I thought I was doing a good job of pretending it never happened, that I was a normal person. Sometime later someone let slip about how much everyone pitied me, this completely obliterated what confidence and dignity I had built up for myself. As people get to know you, the harder it is to hide something like this.

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>>2392

This is stating the obvious but I'm only mentioning this because you used the term "normal person"

The good news here is that (what you consider) normal people suffer from this too. The bad news here is that (what you consider) normal people often address this in ways like you mentioned: Through letting others feel bad of how they think of themselves. I'm only speaking from experiences though. The ones you often find aren't doing this aren't often people who don't pity you but who rather keep silent of their impressions of you. However, there are moderate amounts of rare exceptions to these. It's just often times, it can be hard to quickly find it out because it's a matter of degree. (How much at this point in time are they willing to tel you and how much do they look down on you but feel like they care for you that they actually tell you)

This might not solve your confidence issues but I felt it's still better that someone spells it out rather than try to nod with you in agreement even if you know these things already. I find often times, the same thing coming from different people still helps add to my obliterated confidence and re-grows it again. I'm not sure how it is for everyone though.

Edit:

"Through letting others feel bad of how they think of themselves."

I meant to type: through letting others feel bad of how they think of that person so as to not be reminded of their own faults or as a way to rationalize that they too are "normal" now, that they too belong in the makeshift illusion of normality.

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>>2392
Ugh, your story felt like a punch in the gut for me, because suddenly I wondered if people pity me... then again, perhaps it's better to be pitied then to be ignored all together...

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>>2269
this. this, this, this. sometimes id wish , when people say 'how are you' that i could say 'horrible' or act differently, without the jokes, or, when i was in school, without the smiles and the laughing. it just.. i don't know. it always hit me once lunch or classes with a friend were over. walking through the halls or going to a class that was quiet or when i didn't know anyone, i was just silent and retreated back. Days when that person was absent were the most obvious, because i would just wander the halls for the entire lunch period, looking at the spot where we'd sit. sometimes id stow away in the library and linger till the bell rang, considering skipping or not.

this just rang really true.

>>2231
>I wonder: do we all look like that to people on the outside?

someone above said it, but this was very sobering.

Half the translation is English, but the conversations are in Dutch or something. This is one of the most infuriating subtitles ever, and I've got a thing for cheesy 70's cinema, so I'm used to bad subs.

>>2484

Who cares? Just look at that presenter! fapfapfapfapfap...

The hostess is a bitch. She treats the kids like less than human while feigning concern and sympathy for them. Pretty bangable though.

I never cared for German chicks. Most of them look just similar enough to men in their jawline, chin, & forehead. Not all, of course, but enough

The presenter is beautiful. Thanks for subbing this by the way OP.

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>>2507
Hey now... German =/= Dutch... that's like comparing Canadians with Americans or Japanese with Koreans... Sure, you can't see the difference half the time but still.

Anyway, thank you for the nice comments (OP here). I know the translation is not great, but it's quite challenging translating properly without the text taking up half the screen.

The hostess did annoy me at times too when she talked about people while they were right there, but whenever I see her in other programs she comes across as reasonably intelligent and thoughtful.

Nah, not to assume too much but if you've ever worked with any activist minded group, you'll eventually meet lots of people like the host.

It's all very culture shock to them that there can be a kind of person they didn't meet. A type of person who if the person they're exposed to breaks all the rules they think should happen, they try to cope by redefining the rules and saying, see? It's such a shame that so and so is so. They go into a stage where they try to act like they get the person by stating how it reminded them of some experience or momentary perspective they have but at the same time, act like they wouldn't do the same choice (but might think of doing them) as a way to self-rationalize to themselves that they actually get the person even if they don't.

Of course many in mainstream society are like these. It's just often times the activist minded person - being a person who see themselves as one of the brave people actually contributing to society through pursuing things - are more often likely to be Honne with their feelings especially when put in a situation where they think what they are saying is only to better pursue their altruistic intentions but still...most people think behind your back when the curtains are close. To these people, the curtains are just closed in a different way.

Foolness, you sound as if it's wrong of her to try to be empathetic. Hikies obviously make people uncomfortable- whether most know it or would admit it, peoples' body language reflects their attitudes. As a result, most hikkis come off as being incedibly awkward. I find it quite unbelievable that you're faulting a "normal person" for attempting to break the barriers that hikkis' social ineptness create. Conjures the image of a morbidly obese person mocking slightly overweight celebrities attempts at dieting.

Foolness, you sound as if it's wrong of her to try to be empathetic. Hikies obviously make people uncomfortable- whether most know it or would admit it, peoples' body language reflects their attitudes. As a result, most hikkis come off as being incedibly awkward. I find it quite unbelievable that you're faulting a "normal person" for attempting to break the barriers that hikkis' social ineptness create. Conjures the image of a morbidly obese person mocking slightly overweight celebrities attempts at dieting.

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>>2532

That's just the unfortunate artifact of trying to fit people into a definition so that others might understand. Still, if you noticed, I didn't mention that she was wrong in any way.

In fact the very criticism you are assuming me of is the same structure of criticism she is getting. I am actually also empathizing with her and giving a clue to people who might not.

Surprise, surprise, why it makes me seem as if I'm being cold to her? Hikikomoris also don't make people uncomfortable. You already pointed it out. Body language do and most humans do that already to each other.

What makes people uncomfortable with Hikikomoris (even to that host) is in the end, their answers. Notice how the host's reaction only goes to uncomfortable levels when she hears the things the Hikikomoris did like saying they're just 22 or they're not a Hikikomori.

If you were really paying attention, you'd see the actual time the host even reacts uncomfortably to any sort of body language is when she's pointing out to the non-hikikomoris studying in the tutorage.

Still, I won't fault you for misinterpreting my words though. This is what happens when people have the de facto thinking that Hikikomoris are abnormal while everyone else is normal.

Even the hosts while not doing anything abnormal by my consideration can be seen as one of the people doing abnormal stuff by being naked in Playboy. Something "normal" people don't do so it can be said that she's not representing all normal people unless you consider all normal people as being hot ladies going to houses with a video camera.

Still, this ultimately is a straw man reaction to your straw man reply. In the end, my only contention is that there are no "normal" people. There are just people who conforms better to modern society. To assume I was faulting them simply to fault them is just misinterpretation on your part.

Even these morbidly obese people (who are still normal) are not wrong by default for mocking someone else. This kind of thinking just insults the idea that normal people have a supposed superior role in mocking less normal people (as considered by you) and is ultimately wrong on all fronts.

Also I will point out that she is not breaking the barriers that Hikikomoris' social ineptness creates. She is simply being part of the activist group while in this video. It doesn't mean she doesn't want to be but do you really think making Hikikomoris look pathetic is breaking down barriers? Please, that is like assuming you're breaking down barriers for humans and sharks when people see a Discovery Channel show on them.

No, this is educational TV. First priority is to give people an introduction to things they might not know about. (but not really attempting to break the barrier since it would take too long) 2nd, is to make it entertaining enough. Beautiful host? Check. 3rd, as far as New Start's goal is, is to "cure" Hikikomoris as they see fit or as mainstream society sees fit. They're not there to communicate with Hikikomoris as much as they're there to convince Hikikomoris to either join New Start or change Hikikomoris to something more conformed by society's standards.

I'm not saying these are bad or non-well intentioning people but that's a lot of hoops before you get to the "attempting to break the barriers that hikkis' social ineptness create" part.

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>>2551

It does while at the same time it doesn't. It's really the downside of any medium. Even sensationalizing something doesn't automatically bring it bad effects as much as the negative effects can often as you said, distort something beyond repair.

As far as your criticism, I will say that it's less about the activist's goals than the core structure of using television as a medium.

In the end, I will lean towards yes because even disagreeable, it still makes Hikikomoris talk about it compared to say a post by anyone here especially not written by a Japanese.

Also even if it doesn't accomplish anything positive on our side, it will happen and any kind of disagreement on any person's part especially us Hikikomoris will only look like we're trying to censor bad stuff about us.

Overall, when it comes down to it, this things while often opening us to distortion also causes as a culture to either step up or let people define who we are and try to run our lives so it does accomplish something for putting the ball on our court even if we might not want it. Also it is these kinds of events that will truly test whether hikikomoris are just people who feel trapped and are forced to be inside or we really made the decision to be one and regardless of success/failure rate defending ourselves, did we really choose this path as a withdrawal or are we really about social "shut-ins"?

That's why if it seems like I'm dodging your question it is only because the question has no true one answer except for what happens next and what we do next. Then the answer becomes a part of history and the victor defines the simple result.

...or rather, to the victor goes the simpler defined answer.

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>>2559

Best sound bite always wins. Conversely, you're only as good as your last sound bite.

What have you bitten for me lately? Chewable history, now in cherry flavor.

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>>2554

No, where did you hear about it? Is there a site or a trailer somewhere?

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>>2561

???????????????

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>>2561

Are you doing OK, kiddo? You're worrying me.

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>>2561

Nah. Soundbites are only for when the media interviews you and when you want to an idea to gain critical mass.

In history, it is often rewritten because the victor has equivalently showed that the other side was either flawed or wrong and hence their victory provided the results which allow them to have some sort of credential.

This doesn't always happen though, especially with a group concept which can easily gain cult status.

Also I wasn't necessarily pointing to winning as much as when looking for a simple yes/no answer.

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>>2575

English sub link of the movie. Haven't downloaded it though.

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>>2583

Not so good. Voices stop, medication tops, all goes blank.

Happens. Be ok soon. Shouldn't post.

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>>2594

OK, take care of yourself.

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>>2554

Ok, I just rushed the video because it was boring and soul less which from my experience with Japanese shows can be dry and unfulfilling.

I say soul less because there's no context to what the person is feeling which is 50% of what Hikikomoris represent in my opinion.

You're just painted this picture of a guy who's already a Hikikomori so stuff like when the main character acts weird towards a classmate who says they've already graduated, it just seems hollow because you're not sure of the history behind the scene.

I will say that if you're in this for a new perspective of Hikikomoris, I wouldn't recommend it. If you're in this to see the uncomfort that comes with being a Hikikomori, I still wouldn't recommend it. (more on that below) I would say it really depends on whether you approach this for accuracy or treat it as a dull movie with some ups. The ups being only major ups if you've never experienced the scenes before. (You should get an idea both from the synopsis and the first 10 min. of the film although they do not contain the climax)

I will say this though. Since I've experienced most of the scenes in this movie PRIOR to being a hikikomori, I'm personally biased against assuming this is a hikikomori movie and I'm actually inclined to think this is a NEET movie. Also many of the scenes were just off for me by alot. Things like the climax and the ending seem under-represented while things like the early scenes seems to be over-represented. Of course this movie isn't about me though but still they're just so noticeably different in degree if you ever experienced these things that this movie could very well be on the level of most movies. Highly inaccurate but may be trying to play with your emotional strings...except when I treat it as that, it just becomes a dull Japanese movie since it entirely hinges on the viewer being weirded out and shocked by the scenes on the level of an amateur artsy fartsy film. (Note that even if you rush the movie, you really shouldn't have any trouble in connecting the scenes that happened and won't be spoiled unless you've never been treated like this.)

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>>2238

Same,same and same.

Anyway I'll probably try to upload the video on youtube.

I just kinda have a feeling that Kiyo (the boy at the end of the show) said that he wants to get help and then he canceled it...it's just that he was acting and didn't want people to think of him as an actual hikikomori , but in depth he suffers it deeply and brings a smile while they are filming him.

>>In April 2006, Maasland appeared naked in the Dutch Playboy.

But the shoot was too artistic, and her breasts a size too big.

I totally forgot that if you haven't subscribed to YouTube you can't upload videos who are less than 10 mins. Shits...So I'm to lazy to split it in to parts and etc.

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>>2674
Try that vimeo.com site, the same site the video in OP was hosted?

Anyone else notice the Dahlia DVD in Kiyo's room?

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>>2950
this really made me cry. that poor, poor girl. i just dont even know what to say.